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This has been at me for awhile.
After the show's intro sequence, at the opening of the first act, there are a set of actors such as Michael Hogan, Aaron Douglass, Kandyse McClure, etc. I thought they were the guest cast, but they actually preceed a set of actors who are each clearly credited individually as a Guest Star (or Special Guest Star in few cases). They're not starring cast spilling over from the intro because the appearance of names correlates to actor appearance (which wouldn't happen if they were stars). So, what category are they? Should I continue crediting them as guest stars? |
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| Message Posted On Tuesday, December 12th 2006 At 6:21 am |
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It's tough, but I think I would still list them as guest stars. |
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| Message Posted On Saturday, December 23rd 2006 At 11:53 pm |
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I've thought about this before and came to the conclusion that those people are stars of the show. There just isn't enough time in the opening titles to fit them all in without going into the episode preview bit. Also, the guest stars title just before the actual guest stars are credited enforces this. If you go to the cast page on the official site, Helo, Tigh, Tyrol, etc. are on there.
And "appearance of names correlates to actor appearance (which wouldn't happen if they were stars)" - by this, do you mean whether they actually appear in the episode or not? I know from 24 and Heroes that stars of the show have been removed from the credits when they didn't appear in certain episodes so that is not true. |
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| Message Posted On Monday, February 12th 2007 At 2:51 pm |
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After thinking about it again, I concur that they should be listed as the main stars of the show. Actors like Michael Hogan appears in almost every episode and I think his name is on every episode too, so I think they should be added to the starting cast.
In fact, they had something similar in the original BSG when Dirk Bennedict, Richard Hatch, and Lorne Green was introduced. Clearly they are not the only three stars in every episode.
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| Message Posted On Saturday, February 17th 2007 At 12:02 pm |
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| On Monday, February 12th 2007 2:51 pm, Floorgasm wrote: | I've thought about this before and came to the conclusion that those people are stars of the show. There just isn't enough time in the opening titles to fit them all in without going into the episode preview bit. Also, the guest stars title just before the actual guest stars are credited enforces this. If you go to the cast page on the official site, Helo, Tigh, Tyrol, etc. are on there.
And "appearance of names correlates to actor appearance (which wouldn't happen if they were stars)" - by this, do you mean whether they actually appear in the episode or not? I know from 24 and Heroes that stars of the show have been removed from the credits when they didn't appear in certain episodes so that is not true. |
Yes. But thing is that everyone who we know is a star, except Mary and Eddie, have at one time been absent, yet remain credited. So...
They may not been posted under guest stars, but they don't appear in the opening credits with the other stars. They're in some sort of weird credit limbo, which is why this a real head-scratcher. But the thing is that it's been fairly well confirmed that someone's name will be absent before the season is over (don't consider that spoilery since I'm not dropping a name or related events), so maybe the vacant slot and thus the alternate star cast sheet will shed some more light on this.
And I'm reluctant to take the Sci-Fi Channel's ruling via their site as weight in this issue. The names in question maybe up there, but so are Zarek and Biers - Hatch and Lawless have been identified guest stars. I'm more trusting of an answer straight from the source - i.e. Moore and/or Eick. However, I've not heard anything. Even the Battlestar Wiki has no explanation, though they distinguish them from the starring cast as such. |
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| Message Posted On Monday, February 19th 2007 At 7:43 am |
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| On Monday, February 19th 2007 7:43 am, Morning_Star wrote: | Yes. But thing is that everyone who we know is a star, except Mary and Eddie, have at one time been absent, yet remain credited. So...
They may not been posted under guest stars, but they don't appear in the opening credits with the other stars. They're in some sort of weird credit limbo, which is why this a real head-scratcher. But the thing is that it's been fairly well confirmed that someone's name will be absent before the season is over (don't consider that spoilery since I'm not dropping a name or related events), so maybe the vacant slot and thus the alternate star cast sheet will shed some more light on this.
And I'm reluctant to take the Sci-Fi Channel's ruling via their site as weight in this issue. The names in question maybe up there, but so are Zarek and Biers - Hatch and Lawless have been identified guest stars. I'm more trusting of an answer straight from the source - i.e. Moore and/or Eick. However, I've not heard anything. Even the Battlestar Wiki has no explanation, though they distinguish them from the starring cast as such. |
They remain credited because the names are part of the opening titles. The names aren't added afterwards, they're already there and I assume they didn't want to go through the trouble of changing it just for one week or so. It's kind of like the Smallville opening titles, when John Schneider left the show, he was still credited because there was no direct replacement and they left it as it was.
Like I said before, if they were to add the other names to the opening titles, it would go in the preview bit and I don't think anyone wants that.
The Battlestar Wiki has them down as co-stars. I'm pretty sure that at the end of episodes, it says 'co-starring'? And it lists the co-stars like Racetrack et al so that's wrong. |
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| Message Posted On Monday, February 19th 2007 At 11:53 am |
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Well, this is a funny thing. I was just filling out my War of the Worlds guide when I came across something that reminded me of a similar situation. When I took up editorship for the show way back at TVTome, someone had previously noted and listed three of the actors in the second season as co-stars. They were initially billed as guest stars in the season, but then less than halfway through their guest star billing was dropped, but remained upfront in the cast sheet (like on Galactica, their names appeared followed by the accredited guest stars). For now, as I fill that show's credits out, I'm adding them as guest stars for the same reason here, but I'm thinking that in both cases they are actually co-stars. Their names just get the up-and-front treatment because they are regulars. With that in mind, I'm thinking of seeking counsel from a more authorative source on this issue. There's another credit issue I need help with that is more consensus-based than this, but will wait to address that until I can sort this out.
| On Monday, February 19th 2007 11:53 am, Floorgasm wrote: | | The Battlestar Wiki has them down as co-stars. I'm pretty sure that at the end of episodes, it says 'co-starring'? And it lists the co-stars like Racetrack et al so that's wrong. |
Actually, it simply says Cast. On that note, I recall at one point (late in Season 2) that the closing credits had two different sets of people credited under different titles. I didn't know what the difference was, so they became co-stars by default. Closing credits in general (which is what we believe to be co-stars) are not entirely consistant in every show in describing the actors. Season 1 episodes of War of the Worlds did this, and throughout the season, there was only one episode in which a set of people in the closing credits were actually guest stars. For some reason, when an episode had a special guest star, only they were credited up front with everyone else put in the back. |
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| Message Posted On Sunday, March 4th 2007 At 10:38 pm |
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I was going to put this up in the editors forum to give me some feedback on this matter, but after sitting on the evidence, I've surmised that our regulars are in fact... elevated co-stars. I understand that money is always involved in the issue of credits, so that may be what puts their names where we see them. I don't know. But we've already made clear that they certainly aren't guest stars, and with the absence of Katee's name now leaving a void that could of as easily been filled, they don't appear to be relegated series stars, either.
I'll leave this open for any more thoughts on the matter, but beginning tonight, I'm going to put them in the appropriate place (and what timing that the very day I come to a decision is the same day in which they play a unique credit sequence; however, it's just that and the their status is still the same by all accounts). Now, I just need a suggestion on how to handle Grace Park's credit. |
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| Message Posted On Sunday, March 18th 2007 At 11:00 pm |
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I think that last episode confirmed what I was saying about them being part of the main cast. |
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| Message Posted On Tuesday, March 20th 2007 At 1:04 pm |
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That's the second time I've read that (and I still can't believe the twist that I posted my conclusion on the same day). I don't believe that it changes anything because there was no credit sequence to seperate them this time. If the next episode or new season has a new credit sequence that integrates Hogan to McClure, I'll add them as stars, but even then, it won't change the episodes prior (and if they get tagged with something like an "Also Starring" title, then someone owes me money). I believe that if they were stars, they would be credited along with the stars. Intro sequence time limit be damned. |
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| Message Posted On Sunday, March 25th 2007 At 12:57 am |
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Hate to keep pressing this (and this is a little later than when I wanted to bring this up because I made up my mind about a month ago), but I wanted to point out that I'm positive that the actors aren't meant to be stars. It's ruled out as far as I'm concerned. Why? Connor Widdows. The kid is listed among these names, but appears for only one episode of the regular series, and exists elsewhere only in deleted scenes in two other episodes of Season 1. Is he really a series star? Really? |
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| Message Posted On Saturday, June 2nd 2007 At 2:52 am |
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So say we all.
(I think Boxey was originally supposed to be a bigger role in BSG but his scenes just started to get cut out in season 1) |
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| Message Posted On Saturday, June 2nd 2007 At 11:51 am |
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Still can't believe you've stuck rigidly to labelling all those main cast members as co-guest stars simply because the names won't fit into the initial title sequence despite their names preceeding the actual guest stars. Edward James Olmos with 73 episodes to Michael Hogan's 69 and you still think he's below guest star status and not part of the main cast?
Michael Trucco joined the main cast for season 4 and now he's been demoted from guest star to co-guest star! |
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