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I'm a newby to the world of Doctor Who so I'm kind of feeling my way around in the dark at the moment when it comes to some things. One thing that bothered me in "Dalek" though was the Dalek's message. The Doctor said he was the only person who detected it while he was travelling in the TARDIS because everyone else was killed in the Time War. If the message was being sent across time, wouldn't other Daleks, other Time Lords and past, and maybe even future, versions of the Doctor himself been able to detect it as well? |
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| Message Posted On Monday, May 15th 2006 At 8:00 am |
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Well, the thing about the Time War is that we don't know anything about it. It was never shown in an episode nor written about in a book (a time war was mentioned in a book, but it has been stated that it is a different time war). So it could be that the Time War destroyed all the Time Lords and Daleks thoughout time as well as at it's end. But that would create the problem of how the Daleks and Time Lords have influenced events throughout history. Which also brings the problem of how in the final episode Rose deleted the Daleks from all time and space, thus meaning the time war could never have happened etc. It may be something to do with the fact that the Time Lords work on a different level of space time or something. And the Doctors' past lives can't interact with each other unless special permission is granted by the Time Lord Council and the Matrix must be entered and everything sorted out to allow it. But really, I don't know, it doesn't make much sense, and I'm not an expert or anything. |
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| Message Posted On Monday, May 15th 2006 At 12:14 pm |
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This is the major conundrum with time travel plots. How can the Writers write intelligent rules for this stuff? Why can’t one go back to an earlier period and warn of what’s going to happen in the future?
Before you say “they can’t interact with themselves in the past,” hey, they could always leave a note.
My point is, you have to suspend logic for a lot of DW stuff. I mean, come on, a person who’s only skin thick due to too much plastic surgery? Really! However, still way cool.
Ouch, Matthew! That was a spoiler even for me!  |
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| Message Posted On Monday, May 15th 2006 At 9:02 pm |
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Sorry about the spoiler Steve, I did mark it and I dunno, I sort of thought you might know. Hope it didn't really ruin it for you. 
Yeah, they could leave a note I suppose. But no past Doctors could leave notes for the current Doctor, because the Time Lords would stop it, because they were still around. Which poses the question that surely the Time Lords should have known about the Time War because they can travel through time, in which case they could have prevented it. They also have access to the Matrix, which means they can see everything in time and space. Unless the Daleks bypassed the normal rules of space-time by using their own time travel technology.
But basically, yeah, with Doctor Who you can't really try to make sense of it. However, I could try asking my friend, who's father is David Howe, of Howe's Who and Telos fame, and one of the biggest Doctor Who experts and collectors in Britain. He could probably tell me, albeit with much confusion on my part and references to obscure Doctor Who books and episodes. But I'll ask anyway, and if I get an answer I shall post it here. ^o^ |
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| Message Posted On Tuesday, May 16th 2006 At 10:07 am |
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Don’t worry Matthew; you did good on the spoiler block. Actually, I need to re-watch the ending again, as I may have misunderstood what I thought happened there. |
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| Message Posted On Tuesday, May 16th 2006 At 8:32 pm |
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Oh, and I asked my friend about this.
There was much cursing and swearing about RTD. But basically he doesn't know, he asked his dad, and there was more cursing, and he doesn't know. So if he doesn't know, then nobody does. |
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| Message Posted On Friday, June 2nd 2006 At 2:03 pm |
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| On Tuesday, May 16th 2006 10:07 am, bobpage87 wrote: | | Sorry about the spoiler Steve, I did mark it and I dunno, I sort of thought you might know. Hope it didn't really ruin it for you. |
It didn't, because the spoiler was grossly inaccurate.
Rose does not "delete them from history, effectivly ending the Time War", she disintegrates their fleet and scatters their atoms across the galaxy |
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| Message Posted On Saturday, June 3rd 2006 At 5:29 pm |
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| On Saturday, June 3rd 2006 5:29 pm, Zarius wrote: | | On Tuesday, May 16th 2006 10:07 am, bobpage87 wrote: | | Sorry about the spoiler Steve, I did mark it and I dunno, I sort of thought you might know. Hope it didn't really ruin it for you. |
It didn't, because the spoiler was grossly inaccurate.
Rose does not "delete them from history, effectivly ending the Time War", she disintegrates their fleet and scatters their atoms across the galaxy |
Well actually it's very ambiguous. She says that she divides every atom of their existence, which could technically mean that she divides every atom of every Dalek. I asked one of the foremost experts on Doctor Who and he said that this could be what happened, but he doesn't know because RTD always leaves too many loose ends and never explains anything. Also, she does end the time war, she even says "The Time War ends". So actually my spoiler wasn't grossly inaccurate thankyou very much. |
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| Message Posted On Sunday, June 4th 2006 At 9:18 am |
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I spent a while thinking on this subject as well (how the time war could have resulted in all daleks and time lords dying.) I basically boiled it down to one theory. If the time lords and daleks both had time sensitive weapons, then the doctor could theoretically use one that wiped the entire spieces from the space time continum. ( I know I misspelled that drastically.) Being this, from later episodes you find out that time lords had to be hidden to survive. I imagine it's the same with the daleks. The daleks on the other hand, were prepared enough that they were hidden from the time lords to do work on the weapons they were to use in the war. Thus, it also hid them from the blast at the end. Leaving a note or warning past people of the time war would do no good. Everyone has two choices at any one time. And until the doctor actually took it in his hands to end the time war, there was just a war that raged between the Daleks and the time lords. Not so different than the other time wars. (From as far as I can figure, there were at least 4.) So when you would go back you would say, there has been a time war. When it came around again and the doctor chose to erase the daleks and the time lords from existance, no one would have any idea until it actually happened. Plus, from what I could gather, the council had strict rules goverening the pass of time sensitive knowledge from time lord to time lord. And being that they can see the whole of time and space through the vortex, they probaly had a way of stopping anyone that would have even thought of taking the information back. That's my theory anyway. At least until someone can make better sense of it than me. |
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| Message Posted On Thursday, December 27th 2007 At 2:19 pm |
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I know this post is old as dirt, but hey, what's a dead horse if you don't beat it!
1) In the hidden block by bobpage87 about what was 'technically' done, it was a 'current' thing. Like, "I take this glass, and shatter it, across my floor... across all the floors of all the houses." I still broke the glass. And in a thousand years, an atom of every piece of glass will be in every house on earth. Entropy is great like that. Also, look from a higher plane. Once you transcend time, what happens in a thousand years -is- now. Which brings us to #2
2) There was a really good twilight zone episode on this subject. But the only one that comes to mind is a trek episode that stole from the premise. Anyway, it's where there's this big long evil war, and only two people are left. They fight and fight and fight and eventually, one is killed. "The War Ends." It's big, no doubt about it, but it's also just a statement that a war is never -really- over until the opposite side is wiped out.
and finally...
3) The time paradoxes have been explained in season 1 where Rose meets some dude her mom once knew. Basically, every time you create a paradox, you punch a tiny hole in space/time. It's easier if you look at it like your skin. Crossing your own path is like cutting yourself with a knife. The bigger the cross, the bigger the cut. And just like flesh, the rip will eventually seal itself if it's not too big. If it's not, theorists claim that's what creates black holes and white holes and dead space and null matter. But the end result is the same. While there is nothing at all stopping the Doc. from having some fun with time, who knows what the physical penalty would be.
Think about it... you go back in time, you squish a bug. That bug -was- supposed to feed a bigger bug, which was eaten by a rodent, which was eaten by the cat, who was chased by the wolf, who was stepped on by the elephant, which was SUPPOSED to feed one of your past relatives, resulting in you never being born. So sad!
in short, it's not that the doctor -can't-, it's that he's not silly enough to risk it! |
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