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The Walking Dead: Indifference

With the medical supply runners still away, Rick and Carol go on a supply run of their own where he questions her about her decision to kill Karen and David.

Episode Info

Episode number: 4x4
Airdate: Sunday November 03rd, 2013

Director: Tricia Brock
Writer: Matthew Negrete

Alternate Airdates:

UK (FOX) Nov 08, 2013


Starring Roles
Chad ColemanChad Coleman
As Tyreese (credited as Chad L. Coleman)
Larry Gilliard, Jr.Larry Gilliard, Jr.
As Bob Stookey

Guest Stars
Melissa PonzioMelissa Ponzio
As Karen
Brighton SharbinoBrighton Sharbino
As Lizzie Samuels
Robin L. TaylorRobin L. Taylor
As Sam

Co-Guest Stars

John JaretJohn Jaret
As Walker
Cayla RidleyCayla Ridley
As Walker
Main Cast
Andrew LincolnAndrew Lincoln
As Rick Grimes
Norman ReedusNorman Reedus
As Daryl Dixon
Chandler RiggsChandler Riggs
As Carl Grimes
Danai GuriraDanai Gurira
As Michonne
Melissa McBrideMelissa McBride
As Carol Peletier


In separate scenes alternating back and forth, we have Rick bandaging his hand, and Carol talking to Lizzie through the glass at the quarantine. Carol tells Lizzie that she's going on a run with Rick, and that Lizzie needs to be strong. Lizzie tells Carol that nobody has died "yet". She talks about how becoming a walker is part of the change of life. And how it's the same as being small and growing bigger. Rick through the conversation, preps for the trip, filling a van's gas tank, and looking around cell bock A. Carol stresses that Lizzie needs to put her life and the life of her sister over everything else. Lizzie insists that she isn't weak, but has her shirt over her knife. Carol corrects it so that she can get to it faster. Lizzie slips and calls Carol "mom", Carol corrects her quickly, even during Lizzie's apology. Lizzie tells Carol that she's not afraid to kill, she's just afraid. Carol tells her that she can't be, and that she just needs to keep going, keep fighting, and one day she'll be different. ..

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Episode Notes
Ratings: 13.30 Million Viewers

Trivia: The numbers on the price signat the gas station have been inverted so that it read "hell."

ArtistSong TitlePlayed When
Sharon Van EttenSerpentsCarol drives away, End of the episode.

Episode Quotes
Carol: Maggie wanted to come, you know?
Rick: Someone had to stay back, watch over things.
Carol: Someone you trust, you mean? They would have drowned in their own blood. They were suffering, I made it quick. We needed the bodies gone, we needed to stop it from spreading. They were the only ones who were sick, they were a threat. I was trying to save lives. I had to try, somebody had to.
Rick: Maybe.

Michonne: You should have let him go.
Tyreese: What the hell do you know about it, huh? You the damn expert?
Michonne: No, I just don't want to see you die. Is that what you're trying to do? Do you even know what you're trying to do? I know you're pissed, and you have every reason to be, but anger makes you stupid. Stupid gets you killed.
Tyreese: Aren't you still angry about the Governor? What he did?
Michonne: If he was here right now, I'd cut him in two. 'Cause that's how it needs to be, but I'm not angry. I was.
Tyreese: Then why are you still out looking for him?
Michonne: I don't know.

Daryl: Those douche bags in the vines, they took themselves out. Holding hands, kumbaya style.
Bob: They wanted to go out together, same as they lived, does that make them douche bags?
Daryl: It does if they could've gotten out.
Bob: Everybody makes it, 'till they don't. People nowadays are like dominoes. What they did, maybe it's about not having to watch them fall.
Daryl: ...right.

Rick: Did you think it was right...letting those kids come back with us?
Carol: I think it was the humane thing to do.
Rick: But did you think it was right?
Carol: Look at us, digging through drawers, hoping that a couple of cough drops and some disinfectant might be the difference between dying and living a couple of more hours. If they're strong enough to help us survive this, then yeah, I think you made the right call.
Rick: And if they're not?
Carol: Let's hope they are.

Carol: Rick, I killed two people and you haven't said a word about it.
Rick: What do you want me to say.
Carol: It's not about what you say, it's about facing reality. It always comes for us, and over and over again we face it so that we can live.
Rick: So that we can live.
Carol: That's right. That's what it always comes down to. You can be a farmer, Rick, you can't just be a farmer. You were a good leader, better than I probably gave you credit for.
Rick: I never murdered two of our own.
Carol: Just one.
Rick: He was going to kill me.
Carol: So were they, they were going to kill all of us.
Rick: You don't know that.

Rick: They might have lived. Karen and David, they might have lived, and now they're dead. That wasn't your decision to make. When Tyreese finds out, he'll kill you. He damn near killed me over nothing.
Carol: I can handle Tyreese.
Rick: When the others find out they won't want you there. And if they don't make it back, if everybody dies of this thing and it's just the two of us, with Judith and Carol. My children...I won't have you there.
Carol: Rick, it's me. No one else has to know. I thought you were done making decisions for everyone.
Rick: I'm making this decision for me.

Episode Goofs

Ana's leg looks like it has been cut in a clean line, not ripped off by a walker. Either this is just an oversight by the special effects department, or she was not killed by a walker.

Episode References
Season 4, Episode 3: In 4x03 "Isolation" Carol admitted to Rick that it was she who killed Karen and David.

Season 4, Episode 3: In 4x03 "Isoltation" Daryl, Michonne, Bob and Chase went out to find drugs to treat the ill people at the prison.

Season 4, Episode 2: Rick imagines what it was like when Carol killed David and Karen in 4x02 "Infected."

Season 4, Episode 1: Bob tells Daryl that the reason the shelf fell over in 1x01 "30 Days Without an Accident" is because he is an alcoholic and put down a bottle of alcohol so hard that it topples the shelf.

Season 2, Episode 12: When Rick tells Carol that he never murdered one of their own she reminds him of Shane. In 2x12 "Better Angels" Rick killed Shane to stop him Shane killing him.

Season 2, Episode 7: Rick asks Carol why she never talks about Sophia. In 2x7 "Pretty Much Dead Already" Sophia was found dead (as a walker) in Hershel's barn.

Other Episode Crew

DeveloperFrank Darabont
Executive ProducerGail Anne Hurd  |  Greg Nicotero  |  Tom Luse  |  Scott M. Gimple  |  David Alpert  |  Robert Kirkman
Co-Executive ProducerDenise Huth  |  Seth Hoffman
Supervising ProducerNichole Beattie  |  Curtis Gwinn
ProducerPaul Gadd  |  Jolly Dale  |  Angela Kang
Co-ProducerChanning Powell  |  Caleb Womble  |  Matthew Negrete
Associate ProducerKenneth Requa
Production DesignerGrace Walker
EditorJulius Ramsay
CastingSharon Bialy  |  Sherry Thomas
Unit Production ManagerTom Luse
First Assistant DirectorChip Signore
Second Assistant DirectorMatthew Goodwin
MusicBear McCreary
Music EditorMichael Baber
Music SupervisorThomas Golubic
Costume DesignerEulyn Womble
HairstylistVincent Gideon
Set DecoratorKristen Walker
Location ManagerMike Riley
Property MasterJohn Sanders
Construction CoordinatorJohn Fore
Production Sound MixerMichael P. Clark
Script SupervisorAmy Blanc Lacy
Assistant EditorDan Liu
Supervising Sound EditorJerry Ross
Re-Recording MixerGary D. Rogers  |  Dan Hiland
Director of PhotographyMichael Satrazemis
Post Production CoordinatorMichelle Trujillo McKibben
Based On The Works OfCharlie Adlard  |  Tony Moore (2)  |  Robert Kirkman
Key Makeup ArtistDonna M. Premick  |  Jake Garber
"A" Camera OperatorGlenn Brown
Casting AssociateGohar Gazazyan
Key HairstylistTaylor Knight
Steadicam OperatorGlenn Brown
Assistant Property MasterAdam Miller
Payroll AccountantLea Enslin
Makeup ArtistYolanda Sheridan  |  Andy Schoneberg  |  Gino Crognale  |  Kevin Wasner  |  Garrett Immel
"B" Camera OperatorRichard Cantu
Special Effects Make-upGreg Nicotero  |  Howard Berger
Location CastingCraig Fincannon  |  Lisa Mae Fincannon
Producers AssistantAlex Brown (2)
Writers' Production AssistantDesa Larkin Boutte
VFX SupervisorVictor Scalise
ChefDavid Tiahrt
GreensmanJeff Garner
Location Casting AssociateJen Ingulli
C Camera 1st AssistantMatthew Mcginn
A Camera Dolly GripFranc Boone
Charge ScenicRobbie Martin
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