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Will & Grace: Lows In The Mid-Eighties (1)

A crucial confession highlights Thanksgiving 1985, when college student Grace takes boyfriend Will home to meet her family, who then comes out of the closet. Also, we learn how Will and Jack became pals and how Karen ended up with hubby Stan and Rosario.


Episode Info


Episode number: 3x8
Production Number: 63810
Airdate: Thursday November 23rd, 2000



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Guest Stars
Debbie ReynoldsDebbie Reynolds
As Bobbi Adler
Recurring
Ever CarradineEver Carradine
As Pam
Recurring
Leigh-Allyn BakerLeigh-Allyn Baker
As Ellen
Recurring
Martina NavrátilováMartina Navrátilová
As Herself
Recurring
Michael D. TrailMichael D. Trail
As Sultan Of Boran
Recurring
Neil VipondNeil Vipond
As Julius
Recurring
Raymond ForchionRaymond Forchion
As Clayton
Recurring
Sara RueSara Rue
As Joyce Adler
Recurring
Scott BermanScott Berman
As Dontonio
Recurring
Tom GallopTom Gallop
As Rob
Recurring
Episode Notes
The cut-off point in syndication for this episode was just after Grace says yes to getting married.

This is the first time we see Will's obsession with Kevin Bacon.

Eric McCormack and Debra Messing both selected this two-part episode as their tapes for Emmy consideration for this season. McCormack won, but Messing lost to Patricia Heaton.

We learn that Grace and Will went to Columbia.

Originally aired as a one hour Thanksgiving Special episode, though syndication will usually air them in two half hour episodes. NBC counts this as one episode, as they will with any W&G episodes that air as a one hour episode. This may also include Super-Sized (40 minute episodes). The regular part of the episode was filmed on November 6th, while the flashbacks were filmed two days later. You can see the entire episode as it was meant to be seen on the Season 3 DVD.



Episode Quotes
Will: Why is this such a big deal?
Grace: Because I thought that I was the one that helped you come out.
Will: You were!
Grace: I thought that I was the one that changed your life.
Will: You did!
Grace: I thought it was my naked body that did nothing for you!
Will: It didn't! It still doesn't!
Grace: Don't try to make me feel better.



Episode Goofs
In the flashback, Will comes out his freshmen year of college during Thanksgiving break. According to episode 6(William Tell), Grace claims that Will came out to her at senior year of college during Christmas break. This would make a three year difference in age.



Cultural References
Karen: But you know, for a sultan, dude knew how to party. Later we did Jell-O shots with one of the guys from Hall and Oates.

The band Karen refers to is of course Hall & Oats, and the song playing int he background of all of Karen's flashbacks is "Some Like It Hot" by Power Station.

Jack: You're gayer than the day is long. You're Marvin Gaye. And let me tell you somethin'-- Ain't no closet big enough.

Quick references to Marvin Gaye and his song "Aint No Mountain High Enough."

Will: You were the one going around telling everybody you were in Duran Duran.

A quick reference to the 80's rock group Duran Duran.

Jack: Su-su-sussudio.

A quick reference to the Genesis song "Sussdio."

Grace: ...where Will learned the answer to that age-old question, "What ever did happen to Baby Jane?"

A quick reference to the flim What Ever Hapened To Baby Jane. And in the shot that follows that line, we see Grace's mother singing Laura Branigan's song "Gloria."

Grace: He reminds me of those old Hollywood movie stars, like Rock Hudson or Montgomery Clift.

Both Rock Hudson and Montgomery Clift were found out to be gay later in their careers.

Jack: Or as I like to call it, "When Mary Met Sally."

A quick and funny reference to the film When Harry Met Sally...

Pam: We both know all the songs from "The Wiz"

A funny reference to the musical The Wiz.

Will: (To Jack) Janet and Chrissy are waiting for you at the Regal Beagle.

Will refers to John Ritter's gay character Jack Tripper in the Three's Company TV show.



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