  WiseCrack
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JQP made this a while back but nobody from tv.com came. Now that some of them come back to debate the topic, I figure I'd open this one. This will be the only thread that the TV.com/TVrage debate is allowed.
One rule, no flaming the other side. Keep it clean and on topic. |
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| Message Posted On Sunday, February 19th 2006 At 3:33 pm |
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Nice idea. Hopefully this will stop the hundreds of Tv.com vs Tvrage threads. |
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| Message Posted On Sunday, February 19th 2006 At 3:35 pm |
WiseCrack
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| Message Posted On Sunday, February 19th 2006 At 3:36 pm |
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| Message Posted On Sunday, February 19th 2006 At 3:37 pm |
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| Message Posted On Sunday, February 19th 2006 At 4:12 pm |
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| The_Huntsman Wrote: | I don't dislike this site; I merely don't prefer it. I believe the lack of reviews is frustrating since I've written 619 reviews at TV.com, though I also believe the monopolistic nature of Editorship on this site is flawed. Many Editors hated the fact that on TV.com, you could lose your guide if someone out contributed you. However, that system ensured the deserving gained the guide and that individuals who neglected their duties would be removed from their position.
You see, my frustration comes from the Brandy & Mr. Whiskers guide on this site. That Editor only has three Contributor Points and they haven't been updating the show's data, despite the fact that new episodes have been airing recently. Over at TV.com, I'm Editor for the series and I've done a great job for the most part in keeping the guide updated, though this site just fails in comparison. I would contribute the data myself, but the fact that the Editor for the guide hasn't been trying to contribute the data themselves is just a troubling sight.
As far as I'm aware of, this site pride's itself on the fact that Editors can't lose their guide unless they violate the rules. The only guide I would have tried to apply for on this site was Brandy & Mr. Whiskers, but since somebody gobbled up the guide without any desire to actually improve the guide, I'm probably not going to contribute that much to this site.
The purpose of this rant? I suppose I'd like TVRage.com more if they required Editors to gain a specific number of CPs before they become Editor for a show. Permitting Editors to become Editor when they have less than five CPs for a show is just nonsense, though as I've said all along, I doubt my thoughts mean that much. |
I agree. Though I am friends with the editor for it, they simply haven't done anything to help out the guide. I suggest you report it in the Editor forum, if you are one. Actually, I'll report it for you. |
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| Message Posted On Sunday, February 19th 2006 At 4:18 pm |
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| On Sunday, February 19th 2006 4:18 pm, TheSystemax wrote: | | The_Huntsman Wrote: | I don't dislike this site; I merely don't prefer it. I believe the lack of reviews is frustrating since I've written 619 reviews at TV.com, though I also believe the monopolistic nature of Editorship on this site is flawed. Many Editors hated the fact that on TV.com, you could lose your guide if someone out contributed you. However, that system ensured the deserving gained the guide and that individuals who neglected their duties would be removed from their position.
You see, my frustration comes from the Brandy & Mr. Whiskers guide on this site. That Editor only has three Contributor Points and they haven't been updating the show's data, despite the fact that new episodes have been airing recently. Over at TV.com, I'm Editor for the series and I've done a great job for the most part in keeping the guide updated, though this site just fails in comparison. I would contribute the data myself, but the fact that the Editor for the guide hasn't been trying to contribute the data themselves is just a troubling sight.
As far as I'm aware of, this site pride's itself on the fact that Editors can't lose their guide unless they violate the rules. The only guide I would have tried to apply for on this site was Brandy & Mr. Whiskers, but since somebody gobbled up the guide without any desire to actually improve the guide, I'm probably not going to contribute that much to this site.
The purpose of this rant? I suppose I'd like TVRage.com more if they required Editors to gain a specific number of CPs before they become Editor for a show. Permitting Editors to become Editor when they have less than five CPs for a show is just nonsense, though as I've said all along, I doubt my thoughts mean that much. |
I agree. Though I am friends with the editor for it, they simply haven't done anything to help out the guide. I suggest you report it in the Editor forum, if you are one. Actually, I'll report it for you. |
Because the_Huntsman is not an editor. Maybe he should start contributing, so he can become editor for shows that he likes. |
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| Message Posted On Sunday, February 19th 2006 At 5:41 pm |
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| On Sunday, February 19th 2006 3:35 pm, General_Sherman wrote: | | Nice idea. Hopefully this will stop the hundreds of Tv.com vs Tvrage threads. |
The road to heck is paved with good intentions. I expect many people will still post new threads on this topic... that's their nature. *-) |
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| Message Posted On Sunday, February 19th 2006 At 5:44 pm |
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In an attempt to explain some things about my position and my thoughts on both TV.com and TVRage.com, I’ve written this below article; I hadn’t intended for it to be an article, but it got longer and longer as I wrote it out, so I guess it’s pretty much an essay now. Anyway, maybe this will help some people understand some things about my position and my thoughts on the sites. Keep in mind, I’m writing things down as they come to my head, so paragraphs won’t transition to one another so well; I switch topics fairly quickly, without rhyme nor reason, though I hope people will perhaps understand me better after reading this.
During my time over at TVTome, I never made a single contribution and I understand that my lack of involvement in that site’s affairs was probably the reason I managed the transition to TV.com so easily. Over at TVTome, I was merely a reviewer for Foster’s Home for Imaginary Friends and while I had contemplated an attempt to contribute and become an Editor, I had never really gotten around to actually doing such. However, I still loved the way TVTome was handled and when TV.com’s forums were created in the early months before the site was created, my first few posts were actually complaints about the new system and I had made negative posts in the old TVTome member’s lounge.
However, as I started to see the promise of the new system, especially the level system since I enjoy such things, I began to become more involved in TV.com. Of course, even on that site I never made a single contribution until August and prior to that I had only gotten into futile debates with both the ‘TVTome Hippies’ and the ‘TV.com Loyalists’, as both parties were described in June and July of last year. In August I began to become more involved with the site and when the site suffered its biggest database crash, the one that caused 80% of the site’s current bugs, I had made a list of current complications and that’s when I’m sure most people started to notice me around the Support Board.
Since then I’ve helped out the staff and I got to know them. Sure, I don’t know any of them in person, though I have the honor of calling some of them my friends and many of them worked very hard to make the site a success. That’s the reason I originally came to this site and I became angry about how people were bashing the staff, since it is not always their fault as they can only do what they are told to do. I’ve had the privilege to help out the staff in quality assurance and with things such as Icon Submission, and it’s a shame that so many of their praises go unsung. Most of the staff members have to concentrate on MP3.com, GameSpot.com and TV.com, though because their duties are so grandiose, sometimes they may appear to be absent in some instances. You shouldn’t blame the staff because they’re overworked, the staff and the corporation are two different things and if CNET needs some more employees, well, that’s no reason to blame Snide or anyone else.
I know many people were really upset about what the moderators said recently and I can tell you that the moderators don’t really like me that much. Some of them might, I seem to get along very well with GeorgeFergus, but I’ve gotten into countless arguments with the moderators over how they seem to do things incorrectly or how they often say things that hurt people’s feelings. I’ve noticed that Gislef seems to appear arrogant at times and many of his comments come off rude, though I can’t change the way he writes things out and I suppose I shouldn’t try to change him. However, people need to stop saying I’m trying to suck up to the moderators because I’ve fought with them more than most people realize; I’m on good terms with the staff and I respect the staff, though I’ve always had a rocky history with the moderators.
I admit that my defense of the site at times may appear to be unwarranted, even in the site’s darkest days I’ve attempted to remain optimistic in how things were handled, though I always spoke what I honestly thought. However, I’ve gained many enemies over these months due to my comments and many of them have done plenty of things in order to try to defame me. People keep bringing up how I once used a Back Route Icon shortly after I scolded someone for hacking the site, as I told them they should never hack the site under any circumstance. I admit, it was hypocritical of me to do such, but nobody was getting in trouble for doing that so I figured that I’d go ahead and do such. I don’t have a perfect record over at TV.com and I don’t expect to be considered a boy scout, though I still don’t regret what I’ve done back then, and that wasn’t the first time that I obtained a Back Route Icon, though I digress.
When the Off-Topic Board rules were being changed, I pleaded with the moderators and the staff in hopes of getting them to find a compromise. I admit, I wanted the new rules, though I still did what I thought was for the best and I even managed to convince the Community Producer to look into the issue. However, the Community Producer eventually decided that the rules were for the best and there was nothing I could do to stop the changes. However, I still came off as a villain at the end of all that and despite my attempts to stop the rules from being so fierce, people once again labeled me as a puppet and they claimed that I didn’t care about the plights or causes of the community.
Now, things get to what really matters. TVRage.com was created around that time and that’s when I came to this site in hopes of expressing my viewpoints. However, since I didn’t want to cause too many arguments, I seldom replied to offensive posts and for that, I was called a coward and people continued to talk about me behind my back. I don’t hold grudges and I forgive anyone whom I’ve argued with and I know I said some bad things as well, though I want people to know that I had nothing to do with TVRage.com’s Wikipedia article getting removed, despite the fact that someone lied on Wikipedia, claiming I was responsible for such when I never did such a thing.
I’ve always respected TVRage.com; I’ve never said a truly negative comment against this site or its users, though I know that I did lose my composure in some instances and I had said some things that I regret. I still believe that both TV.com and TVRage.com can succeed, despite being competitors, though I believe that both sites will have their own communities and both sites will likely co-exist with one another, despite the bitter feelings of rivalry that plague the users of both sites.
Finally, That’s Out of the Way…
Now, it’s time for the grand ol’ debate about which site is the better of the two sites. In truth, I don’t believe any one site is better than the other as it all boils down to personal preference. As a writer and a reviewer, I believe that TV.com currently has the advantage since it has reviews and it has a contributing system that ensures Editors can only become Editor if they know the show, in exception to some who have gamed and exploited the system. Of course, I know that TV.com’s contribution system is less than perfect and some contributions haven’t been handled, despite the fact that they were made countless months ago. Still, I believe that the greater good of the site is quite good, so it negates its flaws to some extent, which is why so many users still contribute to the site, despite the fact that those same users complain about the site everyday.
I admit that TVRage.com has some nice features and I believe the format of these forums have some advantages. I like having an avatar that is actually big enough to see; as some of you may know, on TV.com the staff had granted me permission to work with the users and delegate which Icon Sets get added to the site’s directory. It’s very hard to find a good Icon, due to the fact that the 36 x 36 restrictions are so harsh, so 90% of the Icon Sets contributed to me were of poor standing, though I admired all of their efforts and I appreciated their contributions to the site. I hear loose talk that TV.com may adapt the customization features that GameSpot.com has, where users may be able to upload their own Icons and contribute Banners, though the staff don’t tell me much and everything I’ve heard was through obscure Blog statements and weird posts, though I suppose that such is better than nothing.
Still, when it comes to rules, I support TV.com’s as I believe that users shouldn’t need to use swear words and people should be punished accordingly for all violations. Perhaps some things were handled in a poor fashion, though I still believe that most of the people who were banned had deserved to be banned, though 90% of the people who are banned will think they’ve done nothing wrong, so it’s hard to tell who is right or wrong in these cases. I’d like TVRage.com more if people didn’t need to drop an F-Bomb in every other paragraph; I’ve noticed most users are several years younger than I am, perhaps living on a mountain in West Virginia has caused me to lose out on gaining the habit of swearing a lot, though I guess I can’t stop people who do want to swear on these forums.
Anyway, both TV.com and TVRage.com could learn a lot from one another. Whether or not either site will adapt to a changing environment to ensure its success is yet to be seen; I love TV.com and I’ll continue to use that site, though I’ve been posting on the TVRage.com forums much more than TV.com’s forums in recent days. TVRage.com still needs the data and information though, despite the members you’ve gained, TV.com seems to be receiving far more contributions and it has the added bonus of time, so TVRage.com has its work cut out for it if it wishes to catch up in the data department.
I suppose I’ve rambled on enough and I doubt any users would have read this entire thing. If you did read it, you’re probably asking yourself why you read it, since I’ve made very little sense and I’ve jumped from point to point for no real reason. Anyway, I guess I’ll see if anyone else has anything to say and I’ll reply, should the situation warrant it. I still believe both sites have their fair share of merits and flaws and both sites will need to persevere if they wish to succeed, though perhaps we’ll see where both sites stand within a few months.
Sorry for this long and pointless post. |
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| Message Posted On Sunday, February 19th 2006 At 7:21 pm |
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TV.com is loaded with infidels! TVRage is the just site. Sorry too much Command and Conquer! |
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| Message Posted On Sunday, February 19th 2006 At 7:28 pm |
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| On Sunday, February 19th 2006 7:28 pm, Nyall wrote: | | TV.com is loaded with infidels! TVRage is the just site. Sorry too much Command and Conquer! |
Their just doing their jobs. I wouldn't say they are infidels, because half of our population orignates from tv.com... In fact Huntsman is right. |
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| Message Posted On Sunday, February 19th 2006 At 7:29 pm |
Nyall
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This site allows freedom of speech and us to be ourselves. Unlike at tv.com where you can't speak your mind or be yourself. There you must be a mod ass kisser. Like The Hunstman who gets dissed by Gisfag! |
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| Message Posted On Sunday, February 19th 2006 At 7:30 pm |
Nyall
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| On Sunday, February 19th 2006 7:29 pm, Batman_Beyonder2 wrote: | | On Sunday, February 19th 2006 7:28 pm, Nyall wrote: | | TV.com is loaded with infidels! TVRage is the just site. Sorry too much Command and Conquer! |
Their just doing their jobs. I wouldn't say they are infidels, because half of our population orignates from tv.com... In fact Huntsman is right. |
I heard that from the game and copied what I heard. That's what terrorist say. |
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| Message Posted On Sunday, February 19th 2006 At 7:32 pm |
gakhandal
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| On Sunday, February 19th 2006 7:30 pm, Nyall wrote: | | This site allows freedom of speech and us to be ourselves. Unlike at tv.com where you can't speak your mind or be yourself. There you must be a mod ass kisser. Like The Hunstman who gets dissed by Gisfag! |
I agree
but please dont start flaming anyone.. thats the first and only rule of this thread |
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| Message Posted On Sunday, February 19th 2006 At 7:33 pm |
Nyall
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| On Sunday, February 19th 2006 7:33 pm, gakhandal wrote: | | On Sunday, February 19th 2006 7:30 pm, Nyall wrote: | | This site allows freedom of speech and us to be ourselves. Unlike at tv.com where you can't speak your mind or be yourself. There you must be a mod ass kisser. Like The Hunstman who gets dissed by Gisfag! |
I agree
but please dont start flaming anyone.. thats the first and only rule of this thread |
*Bows* Yes master! |
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