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helpmegetpissed

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Message Posted On Sunday, September 24th 2006 at 12:39 pm
Ok am going to ask the one guestion that every body is worndering..Who is the True millionair/billionair master mind from comic books and tv?
Kingpin Wilson Fisk (marvel)
Lex Luthor (DC comic)
David Xanatos (Gargoyles./disney)

so who is the real mastermind from the comic?(if you can think about other people to add go a head.)
Phonebook

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Message Posted On Sunday, September 24th 2006 at 1:38 pm
I'm the mastermind b***h.
helpmegetpissed

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Message Posted On Sunday, September 24th 2006 at 5:34 pm
On Sunday, September 24th 2006 1:38 pm, Phonebook wrote:
I'm the mastermind b***h.
ok thats better..Please dotn spam my topic by offtopic remarks.
nishikaze

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Message Posted On Monday, September 25th 2006 at 8:16 am
Lex Luthor

The original and the most evil. He's held off Superman for pete's sake (not to mention managed to slime his way into the presidency.)

Got to go with Lex.
tshee

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Message Posted On Monday, September 25th 2006 at 10:10 pm

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Humblah

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Message Posted On Monday, September 25th 2006 at 10:31 pm
On Monday, September 25th 2006 10:10 pm, tshee wrote:
Comic books essentially express a very conservative view of life. That's their appeal. They appeal to conservatively-minded people (like teen boys) who need fabulous heroes, who admire thick, ungainy muscles, who think inside the box, and who rarely question the status quo. I think comic books find their greatest admirers among teen boys, Bush supporters, and Judeo-Christianists.
Obviously someone hasn't been reading Marvel...

or anything BKV for that matter.

Comic books aren't limited to just men with big muscles...take for instance, BKV's recently released "Pride of Baghdad." Everything about that book challenges you to think exactly what is the price to pay for freedom (especially that in Iraq.) Each of the lions represents a different view point, whether it is Zill, the lion who doesn't really care who is running the country, so long as he gets a meal and has a decent living, Noor, someone who wants to earn her freedom, or Safa, who would rather be safe in captivity than free. It's the kind of thing that makes you think whether or not what we're doing in Iraq is right...or what freedom really means for that matter.

Not to mention Y: The Last Man...

It's very unfair to judge comic books soley on the popular ones like Superman (no disrespect to superman) or whatever. Marvel has been making people question the status quo from day one, especially with X-men and Runaways and even more recently, Civil War.
helpmegetpissed

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Message Posted On Monday, September 25th 2006 at 10:31 pm
On Monday, September 25th 2006 10:10 pm, tshee wrote:
Comic books essentially express a very conservative view of life. That's their appeal. They appeal to conservatively-minded people (like teen boys) who need fabulous heroes, who admire thick, ungainy muscles, who think inside the box, and who rarely question the status quo. I think comic books find their greatest admirers among teen boys, Bush supporters, and Judeo-Christianists.

so youre answer is bush????

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ok but i wil lhaave to say david for the reason that he have set everythign since the start..he brought back the gargoyal to beable to be sent back in time to be able to send him self the coins he needed and the info needed to be able to make him self a billionair....so yea i have to give it to him...true in some story lex and king pin was selfmade man but none of them took a 1000 year to do it...
Humblah

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Message Posted On Monday, September 25th 2006 at 10:43 pm
And I do chose Lex. Blargh, the man caused Kon El's death(if a little indirectly).
nishikaze

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Message Posted On Monday, September 25th 2006 at 10:55 pm
On Monday, September 25th 2006 10:10 pm, tshee wrote:
Comic books essentially express a very conservative view of life. That's their appeal. They appeal to conservatively-minded people (like teen boys) who need fabulous heroes, who admire thick, ungainy muscles, who think inside the box, and who rarely question the status quo. I think comic books find their greatest admirers among teen boys, Bush supporters, and Judeo-Christianists.

Well I can tell you don't read comic books.

But then again the above is an obvious attempt to incite a flame war.

Here's a hint: The next time you post, best know what you are talking about.

Or better yet, pick up Sandman, Bone, or Strangers in Paradise.
helpmegetpissed

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Message Posted On Monday, September 25th 2006 at 11:00 pm
On Monday, September 25th 2006 10:43 pm, Humblah wrote:
And I do chose Lex. Blargh, the man caused Kon El's death(if a little indirectly).

lex is over rated... there is nothing he cant do..excpet setting up people to go back in time and make his a bikkionair.
nishikaze

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Message Posted On Monday, September 25th 2006 at 11:11 pm
On Monday, September 25th 2006 11:00 pm, helpmegetpissed wrote:
On Monday, September 25th 2006 10:43 pm, Humblah wrote:
And I do chose Lex. Blargh, the man caused Kon El's death(if a little indirectly).

lex is over rated... there is nothing he cant do..excpet setting up people to go back in time and make his a bikkionair.

OK... Lex, after being in trouble multiple times with the law, managed to become president. He has been screwing with Superman... Superman for decades. He is a super genius (something the other two are not). And even, at one point, managed to gain Superman's powers to a limited extent.

Now don't get me wrong... I loved David Xanatos. He was sooooo well played, BUT he was no super genius. Batman would have eaten him for breakfast... And Superman? Please. NO chance.

Kingpin is a crime boss. A Godfather so to speak. He leads a criminal organization. While that is an accomplishment, he too is not a super genius.
tshee

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Message Posted On Monday, September 25th 2006 at 11:23 pm

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MoggIntellect

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Message Posted On Tuesday, September 26th 2006 at 12:30 am
On Monday, September 25th 2006 11:23 pm, tshee wrote:
Comic books essentially express a very conservative view of life. That's their appeal. They appeal to conservatively-minded people (like teen boys) who need fabulous heroes, who admire thick, ungainy muscles, who think inside the box, and who rarely question the status quo. I think comic books find their greatest admirers among teen boys, Bush supporters, and Judeo-Christianists.


On Monday, September 25th 2006 10:10 pm, tshee wrote:
EDIT: I would say that comic books are by and large directed to a teen boy audience that's interested in male bonding and muscular male physiques (homosocial/homoerotic elements), fantasies of large breasted women (pro-life sex, motherhood, survival of the human species), male omnipotence (ruling the world/destroying the world/saving the world/impregnating the world) the cowboy way (shoot first, ask questions later) and conservative ideals (truth, justice, and the American Way). Sure, there are some comics that work outside the box but not many. Liberals read books not comic books. Issues and subjects like gay marriage rights and PETA are not the stuff of comic books. Too unsettling. Comics appeal to the extremes of the teen boy audience anyways-- the geeks, nerds, and computer freaks one one end and the jocks, superjocks, and warriors-of-tomorrow on the other end. Teen boys are struggling with personal issues, identity issues; conservative themes are reassuring.


Tshee, this is just another example of your persistent borderline trolling. This has absolutely nothing to do with the topic on hand, and it's really apparent you just want initiate off-topic confrontations. If you really think this about comics, why not start your own thread about your perceived notions of the target audience and their motivation for reading them, as opposed to derailing threads and hijacking them in your circular logic battles.
helpmegetpissed

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Message Posted On Tuesday, September 26th 2006 at 3:30 pm
On Monday, September 25th 2006 11:11 pm, nishikaze wrote:
On Monday, September 25th 2006 11:00 pm, helpmegetpissed wrote:
On Monday, September 25th 2006 10:43 pm, Humblah wrote:
And I do chose Lex. Blargh, the man caused Kon El's death(if a little indirectly).

lex is over rated... there is nothing he cant do..excpet setting up people to go back in time and make his a bikkionair.

OK... Lex, after being in trouble multiple times with the law, managed to become president. He has been screwing with Superman... Superman for decades. He is a super genius (something the other two are not). And even, at one point, managed to gain Superman's powers to a limited extent.

Now don't get me wrong... I loved David Xanatos. He was sooooo well played, BUT he was no super genius. Batman would have eaten him for breakfast... And Superman? Please. NO chance.

Kingpin is a crime boss. A Godfather so to speak. He leads a criminal organization. While that is an accomplishment, he too is not a super genius.
i dont knwo if yo ucan class hi was a super genius..He was extrally intellegent but no super...If he was super genius theyt would of class hi as a super villens which he wasnt....
lex :Abilities (None inherent)
Genius level intellect
Superb machiavellian,
Access to advanced technology,
Vast wealth and resources,
Average hand-to-hand combatant

Daved you have to keep in mind that he does have the powers of puck at his disposeal..which means that if superman and dav ever got in to a fight...Superman would get his ass kicked.(he has a weakness to magic.)
Xanatos is a formidable fighter in his own right. In addition to advanced Karate and Judo skills, he also has a specialized amoured suit that he modeled off his Steel Clan that he wears frequently. He also has a highly advanced AI and cyborg clone modeled after himself

kingpin Highly intelligent, extremely strong and agile as a hand to hand combatant for his body weight, master martial artist

Honestly i think ach of the mare evenly matched...you jsut have to be able to pull in resoruces.....
Phonebook

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Message Posted On Tuesday, September 26th 2006 at 4:22 pm
On Sunday, September 24th 2006 5:34 pm, helpmegetpissed wrote:
On Sunday, September 24th 2006 1:38 pm, Phonebook wrote:
I'm the mastermind b***h.
ok thats better..Please dotn spam my topic by offtopic remarks.


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