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helpmegetpissed

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Message Posted On Tuesday, September 26th 2006 at 5:31 pm
On Tuesday, September 26th 2006 4:22 pm, Phonebook wrote:
On Sunday, September 24th 2006 5:34 pm, helpmegetpissed wrote:
On Sunday, September 24th 2006 1:38 pm, Phonebook wrote:
I'm the mastermind b***h.
ok thats better..Please dotn spam my topic by offtopic remarks.


one day you'll all see!!!!!!!!!!!!!
how old are you anyways?
nishikaze

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Message Posted On Tuesday, September 26th 2006 at 5:59 pm
OK... I thought about this and I figure we need to start with what a Mastermind is.

By my definition a Mastermind would be a person with no other powers other then there own intellect and ability to manipulate the people and events around them to their own ends. If they gain powers due to said manipulation, ensuing events or their own scientific research, then that would fall into the realm of a Mastermind.

Using that definition Magnito (from the X-Men) would not be a Mastermind despite the fact he is a master manipulator, but Raz Al Ghul (from Batman) would be.

Lex Luthor is the iconic Mastermind. Rich, powerful, untouchable and completely irredeemable, he has been the definition of Mastermind for generations.

But now that I think about it, I actually like Raz Al Ghul better. He is a fanatic to be sure, but he is that master of quite an extensive underground empire. And let's face it: Anyone capable of out-maneuvering Batman is an ace Mastermind in my book.
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Message Posted On Tuesday, September 26th 2006 at 6:02 pm
On Tuesday, September 26th 2006 5:59 pm, nishikaze wrote:
But now that I think about it, I actually like Raz Al Ghul better. He is a fanatic to be sure, but he is that master of quite an extensive underground empire. And let's face it: Anyone capable of out-maneuvering Batman is an ace Mastermind in my book.


It's Ra's Al Gul and I totally agree with you.
helpmegetpissed

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Message Posted On Tuesday, September 26th 2006 at 8:24 pm
On Tuesday, September 26th 2006 5:59 pm, nishikaze wrote:
OK... I thought about this and I figure we need to start with what a Mastermind is.

By my definition a Mastermind would be a person with no other powers other then there own intellect and ability to manipulate the people and events around them to their own ends. If they gain powers due to said manipulation, ensuing events or their own scientific research, then that would fall into the realm of a Mastermind.

Using that definition Magnito (from the X-Men) would not be a Mastermind despite the fact he is a master manipulator, but Raz Al Ghul (from Batman) would be.

Lex Luthor is the iconic Mastermind. Rich, powerful, untouchable and completely irredeemable, he has been the definition of Mastermind for generations.

But now that I think about it, I actually like Raz Al Ghul better. He is a fanatic to be sure, but he is that master of quite an extensive underground empire. And let's face it: Anyone capable of out-maneuvering Batman is an ace Mastermind in my book.
i agree with you to a point..But i dont think we can count him as a mastermind..He falls in to eco terrorist..also he was abvle to trick batman for the first few mins but he was able to bet him back time after time....

nishikaze

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Message Posted On Tuesday, September 26th 2006 at 8:48 pm
The same could be said for Luthor, King Pin and Xanathos
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Message Posted On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 at 11:09 am
On Tuesday, September 26th 2006 5:31 pm, helpmegetpissed wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26th 2006 4:22 pm, Phonebook wrote:
On Sunday, September 24th 2006 5:34 pm, helpmegetpissed wrote:
On Sunday, September 24th 2006 1:38 pm, Phonebook wrote:
I'm the mastermind b***h.
ok thats better..Please dotn spam my topic by offtopic remarks.


one day you'll all see!!!!!!!!!!!!!
how old are you anyways?


The prick was trolling my blogs also, nothing a good little report won't fix. Ignore him dude, he does nothing here.
helpmegetpissed

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Message Posted On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 at 12:09 pm
On Tuesday, September 26th 2006 8:48 pm, nishikaze wrote:
The same could be said for Luthor, King Pin and Xanathos

all of them are mastermind i just want to figure out who is the true one..Who would win if all of them was put in to the same comic....
Systemax

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Message Posted On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 at 4:04 pm
As much as I love Lex, I'm going to have to go with Xanatos.

Xanatos - Not only was he smart enough to send himself a package containing a museum piece that gained him his vast wealth (unlike Lex, who inherited his), he designed a mechanical gargoyle suit, his fighting abilities measure up to Goliath, and he's a trained sorcerer. He may not have presidency in his resume, though he's got many other abilities that Lex doesn't have, and let's face it -- he's much smarter than Lex.
nishikaze

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Message Posted On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 at 4:24 pm
On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 4:04 pm, Systemax wrote:
As much as I love Lex, I'm going to have to go with Xanatos.

Xanatos - Not only was he smart enough to send himself a package containing a museum piece that gained him his vast wealth (unlike Lex, who inherited his), he designed a mechanical gargoyle suit, his fighting abilities measure up to Goliath, and he's a trained sorcerer. He may not have presidency in his resume, though he's got many other abilities that Lex doesn't have, and let's face it -- he's much smarter than Lex.


Where do you get he's a trained sorceror? He has no magical power whatsoever. If he had he'd have realised Owen's true identity sooner. And what part of 12th level intellect did you miss? Lex designed a suit that could hold it's own against Superman. Let's not forget that. Lex vs Superman.

But that's beside my point, I changed my answer anyway. Ra's al Gul.
helpmegetpissed

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Message Posted On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 at 4:25 pm
On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 4:04 pm, Systemax wrote:
As much as I love Lex, I'm going to have to go with Xanatos.

Xanatos - Not only was he smart enough to send himself a package containing a museum piece that gained him his vast wealth (unlike Lex, who inherited his), he designed a mechanical gargoyle suit, his fighting abilities measure up to Goliath, and he's a trained sorcerer. He may not have presidency in his resume, though he's got many other abilities that Lex doesn't have, and let's face it -- he's much smarter than Lex.

also you have to add in the fact that he was able to marrie one of the avolan children which will gain him vast power much more then lex would evey see..Am pretty sure if lex would ever came face with what xan have seen he would proble p*** himself.
helpmegetpissed

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Message Posted On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 at 4:30 pm
On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 4:24 pm, nishikaze wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 4:04 pm, Systemax wrote:
As much as I love Lex, I'm going to have to go with Xanatos.

Xanatos - Not only was he smart enough to send himself a package containing a museum piece that gained him his vast wealth (unlike Lex, who inherited his), he designed a mechanical gargoyle suit, his fighting abilities measure up to Goliath, and he's a trained sorcerer. He may not have presidency in his resume, though he's got many other abilities that Lex doesn't have, and let's face it -- he's much smarter than Lex.


Where do you get he's a trained sorceror? He has no magical power whatsoever. If he had he'd have realised Owen's true identity sooner. And what part of 12th level intellect did you miss? Lex designed a suit that could hold it's own against Superman. Let's not forget that. Lex vs Superman.

But that's beside my point, I changed my answer anyway. Ra's al Gul.

Well in david case they never gave a level of intellegents to anyone..But if they did he would be right up there with lex...Also about the magic you have to add in the eps that he was able to make spell and poison that worked....Hell reamber if it wasnt for him..They woulds still be in there stone sleep...also in the eps that they kidnapped hutson to make a posion he did that all by himself.....Because puck would of known that it wasnt what david wanted...So yea he has some magic capabllity.but he does have fox puck and his son that all have some type of majic in themself...
nishikaze

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Message Posted On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 at 5:10 pm
Following instructions ie a potion and true magic like Auberon Children or Magus are two different animals. With magic Xanatos couldn't even compete with Demona let alone his own son. Xanatos is not a trained sorceror just a good researcher.

As for his son having magic... What has that got to do with him? That came from his mother, Fox. Plus he didn't know the capabilities of a charm he gave Fox in the episode The Eye of the Beholder.

The fact is, no where in the series does it say he's a trained sorcerer. Not like like Demona or Magus.
helpmegetpissed

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Message Posted On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 at 5:45 pm
On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 5:10 pm, nishikaze wrote:
Following instructions ie a potion and true magic like Auberon Children or Magus are two different animals. With magic Xanatos couldn't even compete with Demona let alone his own son. Xanatos is not a trained sorceror just a good researcher.

As for his son having magic... What has that got to do with him? That came from his mother, Fox. Plus he didn't know the capabilities of a charm he gave Fox in the episode The Eye of the Beholder.

The fact is, no where in the series does it say he's a trained sorcerer. Not like like Demona or Magus.
demona isnt a sorcerest liek you said she just a good researcher...she has no power upon her self...But since david is linked to to Oberon childern..Witch he can have them some thing for themself...Plus it like when people cal lsomeone a noob..We all have to learn it somewhere...He also was able to figure out how to end the spell of demona in the eps stone city..He might not be as good as magus bu still.....

Also you have to keep in mind that he might of known the effect of the gem..He jsut wanted to see the full opower of the eye.....Which he has done in many eps...He has been known to put his own love one in danger just to see the out came..
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Message Posted On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 at 5:51 pm
I never said he possessed powers like Magus, etc., what meant was that he was experienced in the field of sorcery (such as creating a potion for immortality, which was ill-fated for Owen's forearm). Anyway, I stand by my answer as Xanatos being more intelligent than Lex. I mean, he used his wealth towards something truely remarkable, such as hiring a scientist to create a successful cloning project. Also, Lex may have designed a suit that could hold its own against Superman, though it relied heavily on its own powers, while Xanatos's suit required him to be a skilled fighter, otherwise he wouldn't have stood a chance. It may be considered that he's smarter because he designed better weaponry, however, designing just what was necessary not to be killed, and then using your own physical powers makes for a much better mastermind. Put Lex in the Gargoyle suit, and he'd have been killed instantly by Goliath (assuming it was a fight to the death, anyway). That's what makes him a mastermind. He definitely had the power to create a suit that could have instantly killed Goliath, or simply crushed him while he slept (which is what Lex surely would have done in his position), though he wanted the satisfactory of killing him when his opponent could put up a fight.

Also, about your statement about Ras Al Ghoul being the "true mastermind", you obviously haven't read the Spider-Man/ Batman TPB in which Ras Al Ghoul is out smarted by The Kingpin, whom no one even considers the "true mastermind". ^o) Even further into that statement, it's pretty cowardice to try to take over a place where you can't even be prosecuted for your crimes; he's got diplomatic immunity, so he's carefree his plans being stopped, as even if they are, he's still a free man. Xanatos takes risks every day with the evil deeds that he performs, as if he's caught, he's certainly going to jail. That's what makes the two so intelligent -- sure, they can be sent to jail for a life sentence in some cases of their crimes, however, they are so smart that they don't even consider failing as an option. In my opinion, Lex is a better mastermind than Ra's Al Ghoul.
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Message Posted On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 at 6:23 pm
On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 5:51 pm, Systemax wrote:
I never said he possessed powers like Magus, etc., what meant was that he was experienced in the field of sorcery (such as creating a potion for immortality, which was ill-fated for Owen's forearm). Anyway, I stand by my answer as Xanatos being more intelligent than Lex. I mean, he used his wealth towards something truely remarkable, such as hiring a scientist to create a successful cloning project. Also, Lex may have designed a suit that could hold its own against Superman, though it relied heavily on its own powers, while Xanatos's suit required him to be a skilled fighter, otherwise he wouldn't have stood a chance. It may be considered that he's smarter because he designed better weaponry, however, designing just what was necessary not to be killed, and then using your own physical powers makes for a much better mastermind. Put Lex in the Gargoyle suit, and he'd have been killed instantly by Goliath (assuming it was a fight to the death, anyway). That's what makes him a mastermind. He definitely had the power to create a suit that could have instantly killed Goliath, or simply crushed him while he slept (which is what Lex surely would have done in his position), though he wanted the satisfactory of killing him when his opponent could put up a fight.

Also, about your statement about Ras Al Ghoul being the "true mastermind", you obviously haven't read the Spider-Man/ Batman TPB in which Ras Al Ghoul is out smarted by The Kingpin, whom no one even considers the "true mastermind". ^o) Even further into that statement, it's pretty cowardice to try to take over a place where you can't even be prosecuted for your crimes; he's got diplomatic immunity, so he's carefree his plans being stopped, as even if they are, he's still a free man. Xanatos takes risks every day with the evil deeds that he performs, as if he's caught, he's certainly going to jail. That's what makes the two so intelligent -- sure, they can be sent to jail for a life sentence in some cases of their crimes, however, they are so smart that they don't even consider failing as an option. In my opinion, Lex is a better mastermind than Ra's Al Ghoul.
i do account kingpin as a mastermind thats why i posted him as one of the 3..I think he is a mastermind for the fact that he lost his stance of king pin twice and was able to get it back..Him and along side the other two was able to do there crime while staying in the public view..Thats why i dont think ra's is one..No one hgave really heard of him..And he stayed in the shadow while he does his things.....Hell even when people fidn out about his evil he just dissapper in to the darkness..


Lex have gotten most of his gizmos by paying top scientist to do what he need...Even tho he is a 12 level genences(Which we have no i dea what that means.) Doesnt mean he can past the power of both david and kingpin. keep in mind...david was able to drop his sentests to revicing stolen propoty when it should of been much worst...
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