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helpmegetpissed

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Message Posted On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 at 6:24 pm
ohyea about the eye of oden....He gave it to fox because he iddnt want totry using it with out knowning it powers....
Phonebook

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Message Posted On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 at 6:39 pm
On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 11:09 am, Zarius wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26th 2006 5:31 pm, helpmegetpissed wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26th 2006 4:22 pm, Phonebook wrote:
On Sunday, September 24th 2006 5:34 pm, helpmegetpissed wrote:
On Sunday, September 24th 2006 1:38 pm, Phonebook wrote:
I'm the mastermind b***h.
ok thats better..Please dotn spam my topic by offtopic remarks.


one day you'll all see!!!!!!!!!!!!!
how old are you anyways?


The prick was trolling my blogs also, nothing a good little report won't fix. Ignore him dude, he does nothing here.


(Ignoring Zarius the dick's unnecessary flame), okay, okay, I apologize. Just trying to inject a little fun in the thread.
helpmegetpissed

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Message Posted On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 at 6:42 pm
On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 6:39 pm, Phonebook wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 11:09 am, Zarius wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26th 2006 5:31 pm, helpmegetpissed wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26th 2006 4:22 pm, Phonebook wrote:
On Sunday, September 24th 2006 5:34 pm, helpmegetpissed wrote:
On Sunday, September 24th 2006 1:38 pm, Phonebook wrote:
I'm the mastermind b***h.
ok thats better..Please dotn spam my topic by offtopic remarks.


one day you'll all see!!!!!!!!!!!!!
how old are you anyways?


The prick was trolling my blogs also, nothing a good little report won't fix. Ignore him dude, he does nothing here.


(Ignoring Zarius the dick's unnecessary flame), okay, okay, I apologize. Just trying to inject a little fun in the thread.
No you jsut adding some spam on the thread.....
If you have a problem with me and my thread to bad........
nishikaze

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Message Posted On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 at 7:53 pm
On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 5:45 pm, helpmegetpissed wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 5:10 pm, nishikaze wrote:
Following instructions ie a potion and true magic like Auberon Children or Magus are two different animals. With magic Xanatos couldn't even compete with Demona let alone his own son. Xanatos is not a trained sorceror just a good researcher.

As for his son having magic... What has that got to do with him? That came from his mother, Fox. Plus he didn't know the capabilities of a charm he gave Fox in the episode The Eye of the Beholder.

The fact is, no where in the series does it say he's a trained sorcerer. Not like like Demona or Magus.
demona isnt a sorcerest liek you said she just a good researcher...she has no power upon her self...But since david is linked to to Oberon childern..Witch he can have them some thing for themself...Plus it like when people cal lsomeone a noob..We all have to learn it somewhere...He also was able to figure out how to end the spell of demona in the eps stone city..He might not be as good as magus bu still.....

Also you have to keep in mind that he might of known the effect of the gem..He jsut wanted to see the full opower of the eye.....Which he has done in many eps...He has been known to put his own love one in danger just to see the out came..

It does say in the series that Demona was training to be a sorceress. And he has no power as a sorcerer. Research is one thing. Actual power is a completely different story.
helpmegetpissed

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Message Posted On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 at 7:57 pm
On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 7:53 pm, nishikaze wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 5:45 pm, helpmegetpissed wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 5:10 pm, nishikaze wrote:
Following instructions ie a potion and true magic like Auberon Children or Magus are two different animals. With magic Xanatos couldn't even compete with Demona let alone his own son. Xanatos is not a trained sorceror just a good researcher.

As for his son having magic... What has that got to do with him? That came from his mother, Fox. Plus he didn't know the capabilities of a charm he gave Fox in the episode The Eye of the Beholder.

The fact is, no where in the series does it say he's a trained sorcerer. Not like like Demona or Magus.
demona isnt a sorcerest liek you said she just a good researcher...she has no power upon her self...But since david is linked to to Oberon childern..Witch he can have them some thing for themself...Plus it like when people cal lsomeone a noob..We all have to learn it somewhere...He also was able to figure out how to end the spell of demona in the eps stone city..He might not be as good as magus bu still.....

Also you have to keep in mind that he might of known the effect of the gem..He jsut wanted to see the full opower of the eye.....Which he has done in many eps...He has been known to put his own love one in danger just to see the out came..

It does say in the series that Demona was training to be a sorceress. And he has no power as a sorcerer. Research is one thing. Actual power is a completely different story.
like i said everyone started somewhere..Who knows man david could be more powerful then he shows.....but this isnt about demona ..This is about who is the greatest mastermind...
nishikaze

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Message Posted On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 at 8:01 pm
On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 5:51 pm, Systemax wrote:
I never said he possessed powers like Magus, etc., what meant was that he was experienced in the field of sorcery (such as creating a potion for immortality, which was ill-fated for Owen's forearm). Anyway, I stand by my answer as Xanatos being more intelligent than Lex. I mean, he used his wealth towards something truely remarkable, such as hiring a scientist to create a successful cloning project. Also, Lex may have designed a suit that could hold its own against Superman, though it relied heavily on its own powers, while Xanatos's suit required him to be a skilled fighter, otherwise he wouldn't have stood a chance. It may be considered that he's smarter because he designed better weaponry, however, designing just what was necessary not to be killed, and then using your own physical powers makes for a much better mastermind. Put Lex in the Gargoyle suit, and he'd have been killed instantly by Goliath (assuming it was a fight to the death, anyway). That's what makes him a mastermind. He definitely had the power to create a suit that could have instantly killed Goliath, or simply crushed him while he slept (which is what Lex surely would have done in his position), though he wanted the satisfactory of killing him when his opponent could put up a fight.


Fighting prowess does not make you a Mastermind.
On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 5:51 pm, Systemax wrote:

Also, about your statement about Ras Al Ghoul being the "true mastermind", you obviously haven't read the Spider-Man/ Batman TPB in which Ras Al Ghoul is out smarted by The Kingpin, whom no one even considers the "true mastermind". ^o) Even further into that statement, it's pretty cowardice to try to take over a place where you can't even be prosecuted for your crimes; he's got diplomatic immunity, so he's carefree his plans being stopped, as even if they are, he's still a free man. Xanatos takes risks every day with the evil deeds that he performs, as if he's caught, he's certainly going to jail. That's what makes the two so intelligent -- sure, they can be sent to jail for a life sentence in some cases of their crimes, however, they are so smart that they don't even consider failing as an option. In my opinion, Lex is a better mastermind than Ra's Al Ghoul.

Unofficial. And Crap. Whoever wrote that was a simpleton with no knowledge of the character and most likely a predisposition towards Marvel vs. DC. Never use a crossover like that as an 'official' source. There is always an unrealistic bias.

King Pin wouldn't stand a chance against Batman. And you don't think using diplomatic immunity isn't intelligent? Umm... ^o)
nishikaze

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Message Posted On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 at 8:08 pm
On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 7:57 pm, helpmegetpissed wrote:
like i said everyone started somewhere..Who knows man david could be more powerful then he shows.....but this isnt about demona ..This is about who is the greatest mastermind...

Fine... Lex Luthor outsmarted Darkseid and bartered with Brainiac. You can deny his intelligence and his shear audacity as a Mastermind.

Xanatos is notoriously playing it safe.

BTW: Xanatos' goal was immortality. Guess what Ra's al Gul found? It's not permenent but it's better then Xanatos ever found.
helpmegetpissed

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Message Posted On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 at 8:41 pm
On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 8:08 pm, nishikaze wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 7:57 pm, helpmegetpissed wrote:
like i said everyone started somewhere..Who knows man david could be more powerful then he shows.....but this isnt about demona ..This is about who is the greatest mastermind...

Fine... Lex Luthor outsmarted Darkseid and
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bartered with Brainiac. You can deny his intelligence and his shear audacity as a Mastermind.

Xanatos is notoriously playing it safe.

BTW: Xanatos' goal was immortality. Guess what Ra's al Gul found? It's not permenent but it's better then Xanatos ever found.

Unofficial. And Crap. Whoever wrote that was a simpleton with no knowledge of the character and most likely a predisposition towards Marvel vs. DC. Never use a crossover like that as an 'official' source. There is always an unrealistic bias.

King Pin wouldn't stand a chance against Batman. And you don't think using diplomatic immunity isn't intelligent? Umm...


aBOUT KINGPIN AND BATS...That not really true...Yo uahve to reamber that king pin is about 500 lb...And about 498 of it is pure muscel.....So king pin isnt a slouch when it cames to fighting....Also being a deplomate doenst prove anything in the marvel world..Dr DOON even have that...

Also about david ..He doesnt play it safe because if he did he wouldnt of brought the clan back to life....Also if he played it safe he could of just had puck wished him to be a immortal...

He know how to play the card he gets he never really lost a battle he just learn more to use it for later....Hell the only time when he was tricked was by thailog..

Also its nto true immortality if you eventuly can be killed....david have found sevral ways to became immortal but choose to ditched it due to the fact that it wasnt a true immortality...The eye of oden would of gave him the power of a god....Which he refused to use it..lex would of just took it and ran.....

Darksied isnt very intellegent....for the most part if you played to his greed then you good,...Brainiac is just computer..so am pretty sure he would of made some type of detail with him ..Also you have to reambver at the end of the 2 season his android was mixed with magic so it would of stand a better chances then anything lex can build to stand up agaisnt superman....
Also like we said..Lex allways used the cheap ways out...If lex and david was switched..He woudl of just smashed the clan while they was in stoner form.
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Message Posted On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 at 9:15 pm
On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 8:01 pm, nishikaze wrote:
Fighting prowess does not make you a Mastermind.
I believe it does. being able to become a challenge against your greatest foe without means of excess weaponry surely does require the mind of a mastermind. Xanatos studied Goliath intensely, until he was able to nearly beat Goliath in battle. He didn't just put on a suit and fight.
nishikaze

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Message Posted On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 at 9:15 pm
I am not talking about fighting. I am talking about intelligence. That is what the thread is about isn't it? When I say 'take Batman' I do not mean physically, I mean mentally.

That's a Mastermind.
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Message Posted On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 at 9:17 pm
On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 9:15 pm, Systemax wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 8:01 pm, nishikaze wrote:
Fighting prowess does not make you a Mastermind.
I believe it does. being able to become a challenge against your greatest foe without means of excess weaponry surely does require the mind of a mastermind. Xanatos studied Goliath intensely, until he was able to nearly beat Goliath in battle. He didn't just put on a suit and fight.

Studying an opponent yes. Fighting... please. The mind is so much more powerful weapon then the body. Period.

That is the first lesson of Martial Arts.
helpmegetpissed

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Message Posted On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 at 9:25 pm
On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 9:15 pm, nishikaze wrote:
I am not talking about fighting. I am talking about intelligence. That is what the thread is about isn't it? When I say 'take Batman' I do not mean physically, I mean mentally.

That's a Mastermind.

Well hoenstly..Its the whole packege...I mean you have a person who is a level 12 intellegences..But he wasnt able to swing a punch and land it...wont last very fare....i mean if lex david and kingpin wasnt able to get down and dirty with each of there fows..They wont last very fast.....

All of them have there own physical strength to add to there high intellegents...
kingpin..only have about 12% body fat with his 500 build.He was able to go hand to hand with spiderman and DD.Also very fast for a guy his size.

David studys judo and karate he also was able to fight hand to hand(with out his suit) With the smaller member of the clans.

lex study karata fencing and is a skill marksmen with a gun...

See if any of them wasnt able to have those phyical aspect they would of been aten up along time ago...

But if this was a fight hand to hand with no wepons i would have to give it to kingpin.
helpmegetpissed

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Message Posted On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 at 9:27 pm
On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 9:17 pm, nishikaze wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 9:15 pm, Systemax wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 8:01 pm, nishikaze wrote:
Fighting prowess does not make you a Mastermind.
I believe it does. being able to become a challenge against your greatest foe without means of excess weaponry surely does require the mind of a mastermind. Xanatos studied Goliath intensely, until he was able to nearly beat Goliath in battle. He didn't just put on a suit and fight.

Studying an opponent yes. Fighting... please. The mind is so much more powerful weapon then the body. Period.

That is the first lesson of Martial Arts.

yes but if a person learnd the movements of the other they will have an advatege..Thats i the first point of wreslting....Trust me ive spend hours upon hours of learning how to study people movements..Theonyl problem is when the other people change there movment ....That qwhen you have aproblem...
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Message Posted On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 at 10:08 pm
On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 8:41 pm, helpmegetpissed wrote:
Darksied isnt very intellegent....for the most part if you played to his greed then you good,...Brainiac is just computer..so am pretty sure he would of made some type of detail with him ..Also you have to reambver at the end of the 2 season his android was mixed with magic so it would of stand a better chances then anything lex can build to stand up agaisnt superman....
Also like we said..Lex allways used the cheap ways out...If lex and david was switched..He woudl of just smashed the clan while they was in stoner form.

Dardseid rules a Planet. And Darkseid manipulated Luthor into reviving him.

Umm... Yeah. The path of least Resistance. It doesn't always have to be complicated you know. And Lex would not have even bothered with the Gargoyles. Why should he? Unless they are useful to him, which, quite frankly ummm no. If he found them useful he would have let them revive, waited until they were stone again and then imprison them until they revived again and experimented on them for his own ends. That's the type of guy Lex is.

And Brainiac isn't just a computer. He is an AI with the knowledge of countless worlds. Brainiac has the capacity to self perpetuate. How many times have people tried to destroy him and he keeps coming back?

To get a real idea about just how good Lex is read the book (hard cover graphic novel) Supergirl. There were others from the same storyline but I can't remember them right now and I'm not at home.
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Message Posted On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 at 10:17 pm
On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 9:27 pm, helpmegetpissed wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 9:17 pm, nishikaze wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 9:15 pm, Systemax wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27th 2006 8:01 pm, nishikaze wrote:
Fighting prowess does not make you a Mastermind.
I believe it does. being able to become a challenge against your greatest foe without means of excess weaponry surely does require the mind of a mastermind. Xanatos studied Goliath intensely, until he was able to nearly beat Goliath in battle. He didn't just put on a suit and fight.

Studying an opponent yes. Fighting... please. The mind is so much more powerful weapon then the body. Period.

That is the first lesson of Martial Arts.

yes but if a person learnd the movements of the other they will have an advatege..Thats i the first point of wreslting....Trust me ive spend hours upon hours of learning how to study people movements..Theonyl problem is when the other people change there movment ....That qwhen you have aproblem...

You just made my argument for me: The Mind is more powerful then the body. You watch and learn.

And we are talking about Masterminds aren't we? It seems to me that this thread is focusing too much on physical prowess for a mental topic. That's like saying Professor X is weak because he's in a wheelchair. Guess what? The body means nothing if you don't have the mind to back it up.
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