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| On Thursday, November 8th 2007 5:44 pm, KingJohn23 wrote: | | On Thursday, November 8th 2007 5:42 pm, Shade wrote: | | I don't support Obama because he's black, I support him because I agree with his politics, and he is better than Hilary Clinton |
You know what, I will agree that he is better than Hillary.
We all have opinions. But what makes him fit to run for President?
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Well Randy, I think he seems most down to earth to me. I think he understands what the common man must endure and knows how to help. Unlike some of the those republicans or even some of the democrats whose feet never touch the ground they are so tied up in being rich and in politics that they don't remember what it's like to be a regular person anymore. |
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| Message Posted On Thursday, November 8th 2007 At 5:49 pm |
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| On Thursday, November 8th 2007 5:47 pm, calicow wrote: | | I know people say that Obama lacks experience to be president and all, but with the exception of Hilary, couldn't the same be said about the others? It's not like they were the leader of the free world before. |
McCain's been a Senator for about 1,000 years. Rudy was Mayor of New York for a decade. Thompson was a Senator and Huckabee was a Governor. More experience than being the Junior Senator from Illinois for two years and giving some speech.
| On Thursday, November 8th 2007 5:49 pm, Shade wrote: | | On Thursday, November 8th 2007 5:44 pm, KingJohn23 wrote: | | On Thursday, November 8th 2007 5:42 pm, Shade wrote: | | I don't support Obama because he's black, I support him because I agree with his politics, and he is better than Hilary Clinton |
You know what, I will agree that he is better than Hillary.
We all have opinions. But what makes him fit to run for President?
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Well Randy, I think he seems most down to earth to me. I think he understands what the common man must endure and knows how to help. Unlike some of the those republicans or even some of the democrats whose feet never touch the ground they are so tied up in being rich and in politics that they don't remember what it's like to be a regular person anymore. |
Thanks for the response, sorry if I insulted your choice in candidates, Jason. One of those days.
So not only do you like Obama's beliefs, but you view him as a man of the people. Fair enough. I'm not really sure on the whole "man of the people," idea, since his views are not mine, so the point is kinda mute for me. |
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| Message Posted On Thursday, November 8th 2007 At 5:54 pm |
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Yeah, It's really my perception of him. I was planning on making time to read his book to get to know him better but college and work are tough and I usually don't read biographies so blah. And no offense taken.
I can see how Fred Thompson is sort of a man of the people considering he has been appearing on TV for a long time, but I tend to regard celebrities as living in their own little world. |
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| Message Posted On Thursday, November 8th 2007 At 6:06 pm |
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He just seems like a reincarnated Ronald Reagan. That's why I love him so much. |
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| Message Posted On Thursday, November 8th 2007 At 6:14 pm |
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Does that mean you belive in reincarnation now Randy? I don't remember that being mentioned in the Bible  j/k |
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| Message Posted On Thursday, November 8th 2007 At 6:26 pm |
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I have a novel concept! Let's try this one for size: instead of voting for someone based on what they say they believe in, let's vote for the person who will endeavor to carry out the will of the people. Granted you can't please all of the people all of the time, but it seems to me that our president is supposed to represent the American people, our beliefs, and protect our ideals. If 70% of the people scream 'this is wrong' shouldn't our president listen?
Let's give the power back to the disenfranchised American people. It's our country too, shouldn't we have a say?
After all this is a Republic and he/ she is our president, not a dictator/ tyrant/ king. |
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| Message Posted On Thursday, November 8th 2007 At 8:50 pm |
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Sometimes a real leader is the one that isn't afraid of doing the right thing, even if it isn't exactly popular.
Example: Say it's September 12, 2001, and the American people overwhelmingly want to go to war with every nation with a majority Muslim population. Bush doesn't believe this, just going after the bad ones. Should he listen to the people, even if it's wrong? Start spreading over the earth and killing everyone? (substitute another name for "Bush" if that makes answering this question easier).
It's all well and good to say "go with the people, whatever," but if that were the case, why even have a President? We could just take a poll and listen to that no matter what. We need a strong President to make the tough decisions that need to be made. |
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| Message Posted On Friday, November 9th 2007 At 4:39 am |
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| On Thursday, November 8th 2007 6:26 pm, Shade wrote: | | Does that mean you belive in reincarnation now Randy? I don't remember that being mentioned in the Bible j/k |
Well, that word has been on my mind a lot lately. When you're studying for a test on Ancient China and the principles of Buddhism, it kinda leaks out. |
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| Message Posted On Friday, November 9th 2007 At 4:40 am |
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| On Friday, November 9th 2007 4:39 am, KingJohn23 wrote: | Sometimes a real leader is the one that isn't afraid of doing the right thing, even if it isn't exactly popular.
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That's the problem. He believes it's the right thing? What if his people think he's doing the wrong thing? The KKK believe they are doing the right thing. Abortion bombers believe they are doing the right thing. Terrorists believe they are doing the right thing.
I'll be nice and not talk about the war so instead let's talk about a bill W. recently went and vetoed. This bill would have sent government money to what is currently a state funded program designed to give working families a break when it comes to finding low cost health care for their children. It was designed to make sure every child has affordable health care. Many states are so furious with this veto that they are actually starting a lawsuit. A large majority of the American people think that this bill was necessary and a good thing. W's excuse for why he did it showed a lack of understanding about the purpose of the bill.
When any president goes off and does it their way they run the risk of stepping outside their authority and violating the principals this country was founded on.
Sometimes what a person believes is not popular, but when you represent a large group of people it no longer becomes about 'you', it becomes about 'us'. |
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| Message Posted On Friday, November 9th 2007 At 7:10 am |
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It's all well and good to say "go with the people, whatever," but if that were the case, why even have a President?
The views of the people are important, but like I said, you cannot always go with them everytime. This is the case with any President.
In 1957, a majority of Arkansas wanted to keep schools segregated. Ike did not listen to the people, and sent in the National Guard. You must view Ike's actions as wrong, as he did not listen to the people and do what they wanted. He did what he viewed as right, backing up Federal law.
The SCHIP bill is very complicated, so I haven't even formed an opinion on it, so don't take my words as an automatic endorcement of Bush's veto. I'm just saying, public opinion is not absolute. A President is supposed to use their opinion to make tough calls. We elect them to do that. |
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| Message Posted On Friday, November 9th 2007 At 7:55 am |
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am i the only one who supports Hilary  , i don't want Obama as president, simply because he lacks experience and i doubt he could handle running this country, if this was a couple years ago, yes, but we are in a different time now, things are tougher. Hilary she's tough, but i also see someone who's not blind, who can see whats wrong with this country, and maybe she'll be the one who can fix it, or maybe not. |
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| Message Posted On Friday, November 9th 2007 At 8:13 am |
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OK, since I don't watch the news, read the newspaper, or care in the least about politics I don't know that much about any of these people. Rather than take time to research them myself, could you guys tell me about each one running?
Like which are Liberal, Conservative, Republican, Democrat, etc. And why they would be a good President. Please don't be biased about it either. I'm sure there's some quality or idea that a Democratic candidate has that a Republican supporter likes.
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| Message Posted On Friday, November 9th 2007 At 10:17 am |
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My order would be:
Other (Mike Gravel)
Dennis Kucinich
John Edwards
Hillary Clinton
Ron Paul
Rudy Giuliani
Barack Obama
John McCain
Fred Thompson
Mitt Romney |
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| Message Posted On Friday, November 9th 2007 At 10:22 am |
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| On Friday, November 9th 2007 7:55 am, KingJohn23 wrote: | It's all well and good to say "go with the people, whatever," but if that were the case, why even have a President?
The SCHIP bill is very complicated, so I haven't even formed an opinion on it, so don't take my words as an automatic endorcement of Bush's veto. I'm just saying, public opinion is not absolute. A President is supposed to use their opinion to make tough calls. We elect them to do that. |
Indeed, why even have a president who has little to no consideration for his people? It goes against what this country was founded on. The term is public servant. We truly need more of them in office and less 'politicians'.
The SCHIP bill was a step in the right direction when it comes to health care. I have researched the topic extensively since it strikes close to home for me. Unfortunately Bush's actions have taken yet another shot at me and the Americans like me. We work, we pay the highest percentage in taxes, but yet basic health care is unfordable. This government is built on our backs, and yet our president is bound and determined to ignore our needs and opinions.
We really need a president willing to address the issues we want to address. |
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| Message Posted On Friday, November 9th 2007 At 10:37 am |
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If Huckabee loses here, he loses everywhere. I'd worry about Romney later, particularly in New Hampshire. |
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