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  Saturday, November 3rd 2007 4:39 pm  
» Leaving... Again
Due to management problems... again, I'm leaving... again.

Just to clarify, I really didn't think I was coming back. Back in July I started getting messages from people on staff saying that Ben21 was running this place into the ground, and that Sebrioth wanted me to come back as a Mod. Around early September I mailed Seb and asked him about it, he wouldn't confirm he wanted me back but he did take me back on staff as a member of the Covenant with an agreement that after 2 months I would be promoted to Global Mod without question. This past week there was a vote (which I've been told I was winning) to bringing me on early (even though the 2 months would have been up on Sunday the 4th).

As you can see, Sebrioth has taken time off for the next month to deal with a drug problem he's developed. Don't know the specifics, just that he got addicted to something while coding. And in turn a certain staff member took advantage of him in his state here and got away with a lot. Which I find very sick and disgusting that someone would do that to another person. So his 4 week sabbatical is to get off the drug. His plan was (and has gone into effect) to have Tikidawg take charge until his return. Tiki was in agreement with me that the site needed some radical changes with staff, with policies, and with the community in general. We were basically going to right all the wrongs from the past year, such as the new point system which has allowed certain members to cheat their way to the top daily. As of this morning, a staff member hellbent on making sure I wouldn't return went through all my submissions for the past 2 months and decided to show that I had copied material from several websites. Despite the fact that most of it was my own work from Wikipedia which I have done since my last departure. It's no secret that this entire site, and the foundation of its existence, is based on getting information from other websites and formatting it to our standards. Why bother to lie people, we all steal info. And there is not a single person on staff or otherwise who can claim they haven't once C&P'd at some point in time some info from somewhere. But apparently certain staff members don't investigate or enforce plagiarism rules around here unless it's to their benefit, which you can clearly see as I'm the first person over 8 months (if not longer) to be removed for this offense.

Without investigating or talking to me about it, Seb removed me from my position, took my guide, and has removed me from staff. With this action, it is my firm belief as a TV editor of 7 years that TvRage has become more focused on points than information. About looking out for one's own job and security around here than the quality of material we put in. About the here and now rather than looking forward to keeping this place running. It has also now become abundantly clear that this site is no longer able to compete with any television cataloging websites, and will never be as popular as TvTome, let alone TV.com. I mean, we can't even keep up with EpGuides, and they only piggie back 1/10th of TV.com's traffic. I know damn well that I can't predict the future, but last time I left I said that this place would go to hell without me and it did. If it didn't, people wouldn't have asked for me to come back. Just because the lights are on doesn't mean anyone's running the office, it just means no one was smart enough to flip the switch.

For the record, once I was on staff I was going to rally for Ben21 to be removed as a Global Mod and have all of his submissions investigated because many of the staff do not agree with the point system he asked Seb to install, and many question the validity of his submissions. (Gee, I wonder why that same person doesn't check Ben's submissions?) I was also going to bring into question the position of Forum Mod, because why do we need 3 people running rooms and boards for a website who's community has dwindled to that of a Buffy blog started in 2004? Incidentally, has anyone noticed that Ben21 has managed to become both a GE and a Forum Mod? Minus some restricted access, he's basically cheated his way into becoming a 4th Site Mod. I wonder how he managed to break the rule that you can't hold 2 staff positions at once? I was also going to ask that we retool Section 31 to be more productive and remove positions that no one wants to fill and have become useless. I was also in the works of bringing back hardcore editor MoggIntellect and installing him as a Quality Assurance person on staff to check to make sure we have no people using the point system just to gain points. I was also going to try to bring back Murdock and Mzee so we had more creditable people on staff to do the work. But we won't worry about that because I've told them all what's happened and I suspect they're not surprised.

Now would be a good time to point out that if any of these ideas are stolen after I'm gone, at least you know there's no more originality left on the staff.

I'm sure the minute this blog is read by people who don't agree with it, it will be trashed and countered and people will bring an abundance of evidence towards stuff I already admitted doing just to prove what little points they have for doing and saying what they did. To that I say I don't care, scream to your heart's content, it doesn't mean anything to a guy who will never meet you. But I say this with every fiber in my body. This website is going to hell in a handbasket, and no one is brave enough to take a stand and make changes. The entire point of this place was to be a television catalog website that would embrace the community TV.com spurned and refused to let exist anymore, and allow it to thrive. In essence, this place was to be the spirit of what TvTome used to be. But now we've allowed so many corrupt and devious people to easily become Mods and Editors and Contributors and whatnot, we're just a carbon copy of what TV.com is now. And even worse so with a point system that doesn't show who contributes the best material, just who submits the most in certain areas daily to gain the most.

I could go on and on, but why bother to rehash the past. If you really think this place is all that and a bag of chips, fine, you can have it. But I refuse to be apart of a community anymore that would allow such God-awful principals to be carried out where quantity is revered more than quality. Where looking out for one's own ass is more important than benefiting this site as a whole. Where taking advantage of a man in his lowest point is a daily game because you can get away with it. And where everything else seems to matter except the two things this site was built upon... the guide and the people. It's true what Dennis Kytasaari told me a few months ago. TvTome is dead, and so is it's spirit. We'll never get it back.

Feel free to comment either way, I really don't care too much anymore. Any other questions about my experiences with TvTome, Tv.com, TvRage, and other miscellaneous topics can be directed to my email, johnqpublicq AT hotmail DOT com.
 
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PureMaria

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Posted on Saturday, November 3rd 2007 8:04 pm 
I feel like I've missed a lot..
 
Buckeye24

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Posted on Saturday, November 3rd 2007 8:09 pm 


It seems like the website's falling apart even more...
 
rsetter3

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Posted on Saturday, November 3rd 2007 9:13 pm 
If support is what you need, then support is what you can get from members who want this site to survive to it's fullest extent. But to leave now, without a fair fight, it'd only be making matters worse for people like me, who have grew a fondness for this site. Had I known this, had any "Joe Schmo" member known what you've just explained, things could be a lot different.
 
SebDE
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Posted on Sunday, November 4th 2007 2:19 am 
Of course there would be also support from my site. Revolution time it is! I'd be on again if something would change around here for sure. But seeing it as it went like that I'm disillusioned again. I hardly doubt that JQP would just give up if he didn't see a change to still pull something (@Chris).

Well, and it's a bold statement that the site is going down the drain (again) because of one person. Allthough JQP is the brightest personality in bringing the site forward it doesn't need to be him but who else is gonna pull it, heh? I don't agree a bit with this statement but who else is gonna be anything like him? I can't predict the future either, but seeing this opportunity turned away there is no way in hell this site is going to be more than it is now. What a shame.

If this the last (official) statement about that topic I'm completely out here as well! It was a wonderful time, back then when the site was going to kick serious ass, but I don't need to be here anymore to seeing the site creeping like this. I've seen enough. Fare well.
 
Gadfly

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Posted on Sunday, November 4th 2007 5:27 am 
Quote:
Why bother to lie people, we all steal info. And there is not a single person on staff or otherwise who can claim they haven't once C&P'd at some point in time some info from somewhere.


*looks around awkwardly, raises hand*

I'd be too scared to even try it. But then I'm not a big-time contributor compared to the big-time folks here, either.

But I guess I don't get it. Seems like everyone knows who/what the problem is, but Seb hasn't been doing anything about it, and now can't do anything about it. Seems like any time you try to find out anything, the people who know anything, don't say anything, and you spend your time spinning your wheels.

Coming to this site, I didn't and don't expect all of the management stuff to be transparent... but I think all of this sounds like what you get when you've got no transparency or communication.

But hate to see you go, JQP. Good luck.
 
calicow

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Posted on Sunday, November 4th 2007 10:20 am 
Man, I didn't realize this type of stuff was still going on. Like rsetter3, I'd really like to see the site flourish as well. I'd hate to see you go JQP, but it's obviously you made your decision.
 
atecom

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Posted on Sunday, November 4th 2007 1:37 pm 
The fun of politics.
 
Gadfly

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Posted on Sunday, November 4th 2007 2:08 pm 
The politics of fun.

Just because contributing and making this site better is work doesn't mean it can't be fun.
 
Mad_Buck

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Posted on Sunday, November 4th 2007 5:36 pm 
So long, John Q. I guess in your case a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.
 
Gadfly

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Posted on Monday, November 5th 2007 7:54 am 
Plus, again, it might help if staff would communicate with us peons. Tikidawg is big on all the changes, according to the above. So why doens't he say he is. Or say he isn't. instead his last blog on 9/20 is about his cleaning up around the place

Instead we're left with a vague he said/she said kind of situation. Hey, site news doesn't just have to be about technical improvements.

Speaking as a relative newcomer to the site who's never been interested on the on-again/off-again "We're not TV.com" vibe (how does that help us improve as a site?), it seems like we've got plenty of rebels, but not enough leaders. There's no one to clearly say to everyone (not just the secret cabals) that "Here's where we are, here's where we're going, if you got some feedback to give us then hand it over." Instead everything is treated like spoilers for this year's season finale of Heroes. It can be a little frustrating.
 
Cokebeard

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Posted on Monday, November 5th 2007 10:06 am 
Tiki is a "she", by the way.
 
Gadfly

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Posted on Monday, November 5th 2007 11:10 am 
Exactly! Thanks to CB for thoughtfully giving a perfect hypothetical example of what I mean by how most folks here would rather bring up relative irrelevancies then actually discuss the future of TVRage. I couldn't have given half as good or short an example.
 
Cokebeard

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Posted on Monday, November 5th 2007 11:41 am 
i wasn't looking to help your argument, D****E B*G. i was pointing out your attention to detail.... errrr.... lack there of.
 
Gadfly

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Posted on Tuesday, November 6th 2007 12:32 pm 
Sorry, I didn't think my attention to detail or lack thereof was the point of this thread. Or significant to the future of TVRage, like this thread was (I guess) intended to address.

But if we can't discuss the future of TVRage here, then... where? JQP has pretty much said he doesn't care or doesn't plan on coming back to this thread or this site. At least that's what I thought he meant when he said above about "when he's gone," but CB, he's still active on your blog. TVRage.com suggestions is pretty slow.

I just think we either get sidetracked, or we sit in silence.
 
Systemax

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Posted on Thursday, November 8th 2007 7:23 pm 
Yeah, I'm glad I left the site when I did and decided against coming back. It would have been a lot worse had I stayed and had to jump off a sinking ship. This site had potential when it started, but the thing that made me fully understand that the site wasn't going anywhere was when it took Sebrioth about four months longer to do the Site Update last year than he had originally said. I remember when he first announced it, everyone here got all giddy, knowing that it was the boost that would get the site a lot more members than it currently had. However, the week went by and no update. Seb apologized and told us that it was going through a few bug sweeps but it wouldn't take more than a few more days. Mind you, this was in late May; we didn't get the update until around mid-to late July or early August at the latest. It wasn't even that, it was also the fact that the mods didn't know what was happening either because we weren't the only ones that weren't clued in, so no one had an idea of what was wrong, but the mods didn't complain because they could visit the beta section whenever they pleased. The site is going to hell, with or without JQP (no offense). It just can't compare to TV.com and never will.
 
thefatskinnyguy2

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Posted on Saturday, May 3rd 2008 12:15 pm 
To me Ben21 is a coward, and I agree with what you said about him.
 
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